Now of course this is just my personal opinion, and as in life there will always be differences of opinion and in faith. So be it. If this HH was personally offensive to me (and I say this with no knowledge whatsoever of this HH), I would have just left it there, neither stamping in or commenting. Perhaps the next Boxer that comes along to find it will feel differently. It's not a right/wrong thing. If I understand your post though, you did take the HH with you? I think if offends you, just take it back and leave it in the intended Letterbox for the next person. I would not mail it back to the owner, I'm sure they meant no harm in placing the HH.

Mosey wrote:In one of the letterboxes that I went to pick up and retire for Pippi, I
recently found a hitchhiker of a religious nature.

There are about 6 or 7 stamps in it's logbook, and the only actual comment
written down so far is from couple of boxers who seemed offended by the
hitchhiker. Frankly, we were also offended by the hitchhiker. And as such,
we weren't going to stamp into the logbook. I was just going to take it and
quietly pass it on to take up residence in another letterbox.

Or shouldn't I? It offends me personally, but I have absolutely no idea if
I'm part of a very small minority, or am I greatly risking offending other
letterboxers by passing on the hitchhiker? The creator of the hitchhiker
left their info with the hitchhiker, so what I'd really like to do is just
mail it back to them with a note to put it into another box themselves if
they so desire. :-) But that might not be fair, since the hitchhiker might
only offend 0.1% of the letterboxing community, if that much. I don't know.

Should this even be a concern, or should I just put the hitchhiker into
another letterbox, fergitaboutit, and tomorrow will be another day?

~~ Mosey ~~



---------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.




MayEve

z




__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The reason I took it is because I was retiring the box for another
letterboxer who is presently out of the country. So I can't take it back
and leave it in that box. That's the problem. That particular box no
longer exists unfortunately. Otherwise I would have just left it there for
the next person. And they might have left it there for the next
person......and they might have left it there for the next person.....or
not.

But maybe that's an idea. I can just put it in one of the other boxes that
I adopted that I *am* leaving out there. Works for *me*. :-)

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of MayEve
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:12 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Hitchhiker question on religious sensitivities


Now of course this is just my personal opinion, and as in life there will
always be differences of opinion and in faith. So be it. If this HH was
personally offensive to me (and I say this with no knowledge whatsoever of
this HH), I would have just left it there, neither stamping in or
commenting. Perhaps the next Boxer that comes along to find it will feel
differently. It's not a right/wrong thing. If I understand your post
though, you did take the HH with you? I think if offends you, just take it
back and leave it in the intended Letterbox for the next person. I would
not mail it back to the owner, I'm sure they meant no harm in placing the
HH.

Hi,

If it's an "ours is the only true path" kind of stamp, I usually sigh
and figure that someone else will be as happy to find it as I am
exasperated by what seems a misguided effort. I usually don't stamp
in my own logbook if the theme irritates me at all.

If it's something discriminatory, that's a different story. But, I've
never seen a stamp like that.

At gatherings and on the trail, I've seen stamps and heard (and read)
comments by people who mean well and seem not to realize that--just
like politics--not everyone agrees with them about religious beliefs
and practices.

I agree that it's a good idea to simply place the HH with another box,
without feeling obliged to participate in other ways. The next person
who finds the stamp may very well say, "Oh look! Someone like me!"
and be thrilled with it.

There's room for all of us in this fabulous hobby. At worst, I've
seen a few insensitive stamps, but as long as a stamp is not
mean-spirited, I see every stamp and letterbox as that person's right
to free expression.

Cheerfully,
Ais

I agree with MayEve here. Personally, I am never offended by someone
else's faith. I may not agree, but we are all entitled to our beliefs
and I don't think it fair to judge. We all make choices, my choice
would be to leave it and move on, if I didn't agree. In your case, I
might just obligingly take it to another box and think nothing of it,
in good spirit of the game.

JBean

JBean

That makes a lot of sense to me. I don't like to see us become a nation
of intolerant people, and we have more of a tendency to do that today.
LBing is a great way for us all to stay connected in a healthy way, not
judge each other in a society that is sometimes not so healthy and is
full of judgmental practices. Anne and I are new to the game and love it.

Peace to you all

Bob (Biker Guy)

jbean1164 wrote:

>I agree with MayEve here. Personally, I am never offended by someone
>else's faith. I may not agree, but we are all entitled to our beliefs
>and I don't think it fair to judge. We all make choices, my choice
>would be to leave it and move on, if I didn't agree. In your case, I
>might just obligingly take it to another box and think nothing of it,
>in good spirit of the game.
>
>JBean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would just treat it like any other HH. Move it on. If you were retireing
the box, I would just mail the HH ( with the HH's log book ) back saying since
the box is being retired I thought you would want this back.

STAR:W+S=DRR


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm not sure which HH you're talking about, so I don't know why it would be
offensive. I'm Catholic. If I found a Jewish-themed or Buddhist-themed or
whatever-themed HH, I'd just stamp my book with it, stamp in, and move it on. It
wouldn't offend me in the slightest.

But if for some reason it was offensive (perhaps "Catholocism sucks!" or
something?) I think I'd either just leave it there or pass it on. I don't know.
I think it's all good unless it was meant to put someone else down, you know?

I'm an athiest and totally not offended by others' beliefs. We are all
sharing this planet for a short time and I'd love to get to know as
many people as I can in a meaningful way. I agree with other posters.
as long as the message is not putting others down it's fine with me
Letterboxing (along with the added occasional bonus hitchhiker) is all
about getting out there and enjoying nature.
Catlover/teacher/gardener--grateful the weathermen were wrong so i
could get out boxing both days this weekend;-)

We had 55, about 10 of which were kids.

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rospa10
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:56 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Hitchhiker question on religious sensitivities

I'm an athiest and totally not offended by others' beliefs. We are all
sharing this planet for a short time and I'd love to get to know as
many people as I can in a meaningful way. I agree with other posters.
as long as the message is not putting others down it's fine with me
Letterboxing (along with the added occasional bonus hitchhiker) is all
about getting out there and enjoying nature.
Catlover/teacher/gardener--grateful the weathermen were wrong so i
could get out boxing both days this weekend;-)




_____

Yahoo! Groups Links
* To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/

* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com


* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Considering my trail name...bokononists.unite...I should chime in.

Unless it's a hate motivated HH, just pass it on. In the end, no matter your
creator, it doesn't matter.

foma, noting but foma.


On 5/22/05, Bob Maxcy wrote:
>
>
> JBean
>
> That makes a lot of sense to me. I don't like to see us become a nation
> of intolerant people, and we have more of a tendency to do that today.
> LBing is a great way for us all to stay connected in a healthy way, not
> judge each other in a society that is sometimes not so healthy and is
> full of judgmental practices. Anne and I are new to the game and love it.
>
> Peace to you all
>
> Bob (Biker Guy)
>
> jbean1164 wrote:
>
> >I agree with MayEve here. Personally, I am never offended by someone
> >else's faith. I may not agree, but we are all entitled to our beliefs
> >and I don't think it fair to judge. We all make choices, my choice
> >would be to leave it and move on, if I didn't agree. In your case, I
> >might just obligingly take it to another box and think nothing of it,
> >in good spirit of the game.
> >
> >JBean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *Yahoo! Groups Links*
>
> - To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/
> - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service .
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Rick Simpson
wrote:
> Considering my trail name...bokononists.unite...I should chime in.
>
> Unless it's a hate motivated HH, just pass it on.

Unless, of course, it contains ice-nine.

Warrior Woman
putting out her feet

I was pleased to hear that others are offended by the religious themed
boxes. I was very offended by a series in DE that were religious
themed boxes with religious themed clues. I'm sure they were planted
by someone who "meant well" and is filled with such religious ecstasy
that they just wanted to share something that brings them great joy
with others but there is a very fine line that is easily crossed here.

(Get your flames ready I can hear everyone now clicking their tongues
and saying, "people just like to be offended and stir up trouble.")

The boxes offend me because they all used buzz words and phrases
associated with the fundamentalist movement in this country, a
movement that most recently took credit in MD for persuading the
governor to veto a bill that would allow domestic partners to make
medical decisions if one of them is incapacitated. Not gay marriage,
not even granting domestic partners the 23 special rights
automatically granted with a marriage certificate to married couples
of the opposite sex. Just the right to carry out a partners wishes in
the event of incapacitation. I could go on and on with hundreds of
other examples from around the country, this is just the most recent
example. This is a movement that engages in political activity that is
blatantly discriminatory and seeks to deny citizens in several
minority classes life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I will
allow for the possibility that the makers of these religious themed
boxes MAY belong to a denomination that does not embrace the politics
of the fundamentalist right but they also used words and phrases like
"truth", "the one true", "everyones Love"; phrases that suggest a
belief that their's is the "one true God". That is one step away from
saying Buddhists, Muslims, Bokononists, Hindus, etc. are worshiping
false prophets. Many who posted have taken the stance that we have to
tolerate different religious views. Yes, indeed we do. So do the
makers of boxes that express a specific religious belief. Who's being
insensitive though? I say it is the person who places a box in a
culturally diverse nation that is founded on the principal that by
keeping religion a private matter (and out of politics) All of us will
be able to practice our religion in our homes and houses of worship as
we wish without the fear of governments preventing it or persecuting
us for it, it is this person that is insensitive and in need of
practicing tolerance. I find it very hard to believe that at this
point in our nations history that a person could place a box with
strong religious views and not realize that someone would find it
offensive. Religion more than any other viewpoint is incredibly
sensitive because it is based on matters of faith not fact. I've seen
political and issue oriented boxes that aren't offensive because they
are done with humor but it's hard to be humorous when it comes to
religion and I see no real place for it unless perhaps you put a
disclaimer on your clue that it espouses a religious viewpoint.

I think you should send it back to the placer and tell them your
opinion. Although, whom ever said to explain that you were retiring
the box and thought they might want the HH back was quite clever and
may have a career in the diplomatic corps, but still doesn't let them
know that they expressed a religious view that offended you.

Out of curiosity,

If the boxes that offended you had religious themed clues in them and
you did not wish to seek out religious themed boxes, why didn't you just
skip over them and move on to the next set of clues? If I am reading
clues for a box and the clues seem to be related to a theme I don't care
to seek out, I just skip past those particular boxes and move on to the
next. There are so many different boxes out there, it would seem that
the diversity would be a GOOD thing because sooner or later we all find
treasures. With so many different tastes out there, I would only
naturally assume that not all boxes would appeal to me but that even
though a certain type of box wouldn't appeal to me, there will be others
who would be thrilled to have it. For the most part, the clues alone
give me an idea as to whether or not I wish to seek out a box. If it
doesn't appeal, just move on.

Brook

mr_elsworth_toohey wrote:

>I was pleased to hear that others are offended by the religious themed
>boxes. I was very offended by a series in DE that were religious
>themed boxes with religious themed clues. I'm sure they were planted
>by someone who "meant well" and is filled with such religious ecstasy
>that they just wanted to share something that brings them great joy
>with others but there is a very fine line that is easily crossed here.
>
>(Get your flames ready I can hear everyone now clicking their tongues
>and saying, "people just like to be offended and stir up trouble.")
>
>The boxes offend me because they all used buzz words and phrases
>associated with the fundamentalist movement in this country, a
>movement that most recently took credit in MD for persuading the
>governor to veto a bill that would allow domestic partners to make
>medical decisions if one of them is incapacitated. Not gay marriage,
>not even granting domestic partners the 23 special rights
>automatically granted with a marriage certificate to married couples
>of the opposite sex. Just the right to carry out a partners wishes in
>the event of incapacitation. I could go on and on with hundreds of
>other examples from around the country, this is just the most recent
>example. This is a movement that engages in political activity that is
>blatantly discriminatory and seeks to deny citizens in several
>minority classes life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I will
>allow for the possibility that the makers of these religious themed
>boxes MAY belong to a denomination that does not embrace the politics
>of the fundamentalist right but they also used words and phrases like
>"truth", "the one true", "everyones Love"; phrases that suggest a
>belief that their's is the "one true God". That is one step away from
>saying Buddhists, Muslims, Bokononists, Hindus, etc. are worshiping
>false prophets. Many who posted have taken the stance that we have to
>tolerate different religious views. Yes, indeed we do. So do the
>makers of boxes that express a specific religious belief. Who's being
>insensitive though? I say it is the person who places a box in a
>culturally diverse nation that is founded on the principal that by
>keeping religion a private matter (and out of politics) All of us will
>be able to practice our religion in our homes and houses of worship as
>we wish without the fear of governments preventing it or persecuting
>us for it, it is this person that is insensitive and in need of
>practicing tolerance. I find it very hard to believe that at this
>point in our nations history that a person could place a box with
>strong religious views and not realize that someone would find it
>offensive. Religion more than any other viewpoint is incredibly
>sensitive because it is based on matters of faith not fact. I've seen
>political and issue oriented boxes that aren't offensive because they
>are done with humor but it's hard to be humorous when it comes to
>religion and I see no real place for it unless perhaps you put a
>disclaimer on your clue that it espouses a religious viewpoint.
>
>I think you should send it back to the placer and tell them your
>opinion. Although, whom ever said to explain that you were retiring
>the box and thought they might want the HH back was quite clever and
>may have a career in the diplomatic corps, but still doesn't let them
>know that they expressed a religious view that offended you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

If we were all the same or kept everything to ourselves that could possibly be offensive to someone of a differing point of view(in the broadest sense as is being discussed here and barring any hatefilled intended offensiveness), then this would be a boring world indeed.

I'm grateful for all those people who have come in and out of my entire life who have exposed me to new ideas and differing points of view. Some I have incorporated into my own thinking and others I have not. But if keeping everything private were the prevailing MO, I would have missed out on not only a lot of interesting aspects of life, but a lot of interesting people, too.

We can't pick and choose what parts of a person we become acquainted with - each person is a whole person made up of many parts - I don't expect I will ever find anyone who is my exact duplicate in my thinking and beliefs and I don't expect people to look that way at me - I hope I can accept what is another person's essence just as much as they can accept me for being me -
if I find I don't agree with what is important to someone else, then so be it..........that's life..........
I'm not offended by someone letting me know who they are, no matter what part of life I may encounter them in - professional, private, hobbies, etc..........how I react or respond is my choice...............and I try to respond in the same way I would want someone to respond to me - at the very least, with mutual respect.....................

if we have to stop and think about what might offend someone (again barring intended hatefilled offenses)before we make up a box (or HH) to place, then we might as well stop altogether.................we're no longer enjoying this hobby................and the people we meet in it....................

corgiseek
----- Original Message -----
From: mr_elsworth_toohey
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:06 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Hitchhiker question on religious sensitivities


I was pleased to hear that others are offended by the religious themed
boxes. I was very offended by a series in DE that were religious
themed boxes with religious themed clues. I'm sure they were planted
by someone who "meant well" and is filled with such religious ecstasy
that they just wanted to share something that brings them great joy
with others but there is a very fine line that is easily crossed here.

(Get your flames ready I can hear everyone now clicking their tongues
and saying, "people just like to be offended and stir up trouble.")

The boxes offend me because they all used buzz words and phrases
associated with the fundamentalist movement in this country, a
movement that most recently took credit in MD for persuading the
governor to veto a bill that would allow domestic partners to make
medical decisions if one of them is incapacitated. Not gay marriage,
not even granting domestic partners the 23 special rights
automatically granted with a marriage certificate to married couples
of the opposite sex. Just the right to carry out a partners wishes in
the event of incapacitation. I could go on and on with hundreds of
other examples from around the country, this is just the most recent
example. This is a movement that engages in political activity that is
blatantly discriminatory and seeks to deny citizens in several
minority classes life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I will
allow for the possibility that the makers of these religious themed
boxes MAY belong to a denomination that does not embrace the politics
of the fundamentalist right but they also used words and phrases like
"truth", "the one true", "everyones Love"; phrases that suggest a
belief that their's is the "one true God". That is one step away from
saying Buddhists, Muslims, Bokononists, Hindus, etc. are worshiping
false prophets. Many who posted have taken the stance that we have to
tolerate different religious views. Yes, indeed we do. So do the
makers of boxes that express a specific religious belief. Who's being
insensitive though? I say it is the person who places a box in a
culturally diverse nation that is founded on the principal that by
keeping religion a private matter (and out of politics) All of us will
be able to practice our religion in our homes and houses of worship as
we wish without the fear of governments preventing it or persecuting
us for it, it is this person that is insensitive and in need of
practicing tolerance. I find it very hard to believe that at this
point in our nations history that a person could place a box with
strong religious views and not realize that someone would find it
offensive. Religion more than any other viewpoint is incredibly
sensitive because it is based on matters of faith not fact. I've seen
political and issue oriented boxes that aren't offensive because they
are done with humor but it's hard to be humorous when it comes to
religion and I see no real place for it unless perhaps you put a
disclaimer on your clue that it espouses a religious viewpoint.

I think you should send it back to the placer and tell them your
opinion. Although, whom ever said to explain that you were retiring
the box and thought they might want the HH back was quite clever and
may have a career in the diplomatic corps, but still doesn't let them
know that they expressed a religious view that offended you.







Yahoo! Groups Links








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was afraid of where this would go. However, I've been pleasantly
surprised.

I agree for some of the same reasons mentioned.
I'm afraid that in America we have forgotten the difference between
disagreement and offense.

Especially concerning religion, diversity no longer seems to apply.

I don't really have any problem at all with an actual letterbox that has a
religious theme. I, myself, was going to create one :-) to place at a
well-known local Roman Catholic cemetery in honor of the new Pope -- and
Roman Catholic cemeteries have a "dress code" of sorts, which I'd also have
to be sure was stated in the clues.

The thing is........people who letterbox can obviously read. And if the
clues are honest about the content of the box, those who read the clues can
just totally by-pass looking for that box. In a way, I kind of feel that
religious themed boxes can show a *good* side of the religious diversity in
this country. If someone of the Jewish faith wants to put out a Jewish
oriented box with information on Judaism, or if someone of the Islam faith
wants to put out an Islam oriented box, etc., I think that would be an
interesting "set" of stamps to collect. A "series" of a sort. And if
someone feels the box is offensive, they can skip right on over it.

On the other hand, HHs are a bit different. They don't come with clues.
And they're just thrown willy-nilly from box to box. It reminds me of the
Christian denominations whose people go door to door, whether homeowners are
welcoming to them or not. But there too, in those instances, if a person
sees them coming up the sidewalk, they can choose not to answer the door.

This HH isn't a "hate" type of religious HH. It's an evangelizing HH. It's
a very cheap store-bought stamp with a logbook made of index cards cut into
quarters and held together with a clip. Then there's a business card
advertising the group, with telephone numbers, email addy, street addy, etc.
for anyone who might be interested, and the logbook has a few bible passages
of importance to this particular denomination.

I guess, to me, it's the "choice" angle. I can choose whether or not to go
looking for a religious themed letterbox. I can't choose whether or not a
religious themed HH is going to end up in one of *my* letterboxes or adopted
letterboxes. And that's why I'm uncomfortable taking it and putting it into
someone *else's* letterbox. I didn't appreciate it showing up in my
(adopted) box, and the next person might or might not care for it ending up
in one of *their* boxes. But I wouldn't be giving them the choice on
whether or not their letterbox was going to become a temporary "evangelizing
letterbox". I suppose I could email them first and say "Hey, guess who wants
to come to dinner?" And if they're one of those placers who don't believe
in responding when contacted, welllllll, that's not *my* fault, now is it?
:-)

~~ Mosey ~~


-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mr_elsworth_toohey
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 11:06 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Hitchhiker question on religious sensitivities


I was pleased to hear that others are offended by the religious themed
boxes. I was very offended by a series in DE that were religious
themed boxes with religious themed clues. I'm sure they were planted
by someone who "meant well" and is filled with such religious ecstasy
that they just wanted to share something that brings them great joy
with others but there is a very fine line that is easily crossed here.
.................

I try not to get into too many discussions on this list because it is so famous for its flames, but I have to say I disagree with this statement. This country was founded on "freedom of religion" not hiding our religion. The whole point of this country is being able to worship how you choose without having to hide it for fear of persecution. Worship does not just happen on Sunday or Saturday, or whatever day is your particular holy day. I don't think it is necessary for someone to keep something that is such a huge part of the person they are to themselves. Now hearing that this in an evangalizing box, I am not sure how I feel about that, maybe not so good, cause I don't like feeling pressured by the people that come to my door. I think that said I would probably send it back with the explanation of the box being retired. I think a box planted that has a religious theme would be fine, so long as you were given an idea of what you were headed to. Someone mentioned the idea of collecting stamps from different religious boxes, and I would probably be one who would go for that.
semalee of MAGS

"I say it is the person who places a box in a
culturally diverse nation that is founded on the principal that by
keeping religion a private matter (and out of politics) All of us will
be able to practice our religion in our homes and houses of worship as
we wish without the fear of governments preventing it or persecuting
us for it, it is this person that is insensitive and in need of
practicing tolerance."


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have to agree. I believe every person has their right to put out boxes
with a religious theme. I have no problem with that what so ever. The ones I
find offensive are the times I'm not given the choice to pass on it.We just
recently had this same discussion at my house. I received a postal letterbox
that had NOTHING to do with religion, yet included in the box were
"evangelical" brochures. So not only did I not ask to read it, I was having
to PAY to ship it on. If the creator had stated in their original post that
they planned to include these pamphlets, I would not have signed up for the
box. It's being given the "choice" to pursue or not peruse that I find
respectful to all involved.

Here's three instances and how I consider them:
#1 above mentioned postal box. Not a religious themed box, no mention of
religion in "clues", just an unwelcome surprise when I get the box. (Not
appropriate)
#2 local box - religious themed clues that have nothing to do with the box -
strange to me, but I can choose to pass on solving the puzzle
#3 local box - religious themed clues, religious themed box - perfectly
fine. This one leaves no doubt as to the content of the box. Even though it
is not my chosen religion, I went and got the box because I appreciated the
"package" and care they put into it.

So, in my humble opinion, it has to do with choice. Please create boxes that
share your passions but please give me enough information to choose wisely.

Another way to think about it, how would others feel if I chose to plant a
HH that was anatomically correct? My household may not find anything wrong
with nudity, but others may find it offensive. How would those same people
feel about it if I planted a regular box in the wild, stated in the clues
that the stamp contained nudity?

Maiden


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

umm...if it's of a hunky guy can I get the clues to this box please? LOL!

Another way to think about it, how would others feel if I chose to plant a
HH that was anatomically correct?
Maiden


---------------------------------
Yahoo! Mail Mobile
Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I know a few men who would be fightin' to be the First Finder on that
box! -- If you're talking a female figure. And a few women who might be
setting out after it if it was a guy.

On the other hand, whether or not the spouses would want it to end up in the
logbook might be another story.....

That might have to go into the Special-Hidden-Under-the-Mattress-Logbook.

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of melanie
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 5:58 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Hitchhiker question on religious sensitivities

..........Another way to think about it, how would others feel if I chose to
plant a
HH that was anatomically correct? My household may not find anything wrong
with nudity, but others may find it offensive. How would those same people
feel about it if I planted a regular box in the wild, stated in the clues
that the stamp contained nudity?

Maiden

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Mosey"
wrote:
> I know a few men who would be fightin' to be the First Finder on that
> box! -- If you're talking a female figure.

Oh? Have you not gotten Naked Woman in the Waterfall in Scituate, RI?
The hand carved stamp of such woman is just beautiful.

Warrior Woman

Warrior Woman!

We just found your Boo Boo Bear HH today at WERDEHEKARWE: Secrets of the
Waterfall in Kane County, IL today. Copied down all the info from the
logbook and sent it to Wanda and Pete so they could update since it's listed
on their site. Cute little boo boo bear. Twelve stamps so far. Boo Boo
will be moving a wee bit north later this week.

No, we've never been to RI, but it sounds interesting. I've only found 57
boxes so far and I don't think any of them are stamps of humans. Lots of
cute animals tho.

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Warrior Woman
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:56 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Hitchhiker question on religious sensitivities


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Mosey"
wrote:
> I know a few men who would be fightin' to be the First Finder on that
> box! -- If you're talking a female figure.

Oh? Have you not gotten Naked Woman in the Waterfall in Scituate, RI?
The hand carved stamp of such woman is just beautiful.

Warrior Woman






Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Warrior Woman" wrote:
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Mosey"
> wrote:
> > I know a few men who would be fightin' to be the First Finder on that
> > box! -- If you're talking a female figure.
>
> Oh? Have you not gotten Naked Woman in the Waterfall in Scituate, RI?
> The hand carved stamp of such woman is just beautiful.
>
> Warrior Woman

WOW!!!! And the pendulum swings. To all the fans of observing group dynamics, this has
been an interesting few days of viewing. IMHO, any box of spiritual meaning is fine; it's
when you tag it religious that makes it less okay to me. I'd rather be called spiritual any
day. Let's keep and share the faith (of many peoples)!

Where are Ladies and their Opinions?

Irreverently yours,
speedsquare (yup, actually baiting this time)

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Mosey"
wrote:
> Warrior Woman!

Yes, that's me!

> We just found your Boo Boo Bear HH today at WERDEHEKARWE: Secrets of
the
> Waterfall in Kane County, IL today. Copied down all the info from the
> logbook and sent it to Wanda and Pete so they could update since it's
listed
> on their site. Cute little boo boo bear. Twelve stamps so far. Boo
Boo
> will be moving a wee bit north later this week.

I'll be *very* curious to see how this HH got from RI to IL!

Thanks so much for updating Pete about its travels. Of all the HHs
I've released, this is the first time I've actually heard about one of
them "out in the wild".

Warrior Woman

Oh, Mosey and WW! I'm happy, too, to hear of the whereabouts of Boo Boo Bear! You let me launch him out into the wild! He was left at a sorely dilapidated historical home in Portsmouth, RI. I was hoping that whoever cared about the restoration of that house would find Boo Boo Bear HH and treat it with TLC. I'm so happy he fell into caring hands, apparently many times. I do not remember if I ever contacted Wanda & Pete to announce his release for their HH page, but now that the bear is out of the bag, I will say that Boo Boo Bear HH was found in the Boo Boo PLB on 3/13/05 and released into the wild at the Brown House on 03/26/05 at 3:50 pm.

Here is a link to their restoration project:

http://www.onaquidneck.com/brownhouse/photos.htm

I hope a visit from Boo Boo has helped.

Mary



----- Original Message -----
From: Warrior Woman
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:33 AM
> Warrior Woman!

Yes, that's me!

Thanks so much for updating Pete about its travels. Of all the HHs
I've released, this is the first time I've actually heard about one of
them "out in the wild".

Warrior Woman





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- Warrior Woman wrote:

> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Mosey"
>
> wrote:
> > Warrior Woman!
>
> Yes, that's me!
>
> > We just found your Boo Boo Bear HH today at
> WERDEHEKARWE: Secrets of
> the
> > Waterfall in Kane County, IL today. Copied down
> all the info from the
> > logbook and sent it to Wanda and Pete so they
> could update since it's
> listed
> > on their site. Cute little boo boo bear. Twelve
> stamps so far. Boo
> Boo
> > will be moving a wee bit north later this week.
>
> I'll be *very* curious to see how this HH got from
> RI to IL!
>
> Thanks so much for updating Pete about its travels.
> Of all the HHs
> I've released, this is the first time I've actually
> heard about one of
> them "out in the wild".
>
> Warrior Woman
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> --------------------~-->
> Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude
> Children's Research Hospital's
> 'Thanks & Giving.'
>
http://us.click.yahoo.com/6iY7fA/5WnJAA/Y3ZIAA/60TolB/TM
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------~->
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> I can tell you how it got from CT to IL- I taught my
parents how to letterbox while they were visiting for
a week, and among the 70 or so boxes they did with me,
we found Boo Boo bear HH in a box in Norwich. We all
decided that it would be more fun for them to take it
back to IL with them than for me to hide it again in
CT. I made them promise that they would release it
within a month, so this weekend they boxed in IL for
the first time and dropped it off-and found another HH
as well. -S
>

Now *that's* a clever way to get newbies to keep on boxing! Send
them home with a HH so they *have* to go out and hunt another box!
Clever clever clever!

Thanks for the explanation!

Warrior Woman

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, sandra listorti
wrote:
> > I can tell you how it got from CT to IL- I taught my
> parents how to letterbox while they were visiting for
> a week, and among the 70 or so boxes they did with me,
> we found Boo Boo bear HH in a box in Norwich. We all
> decided that it would be more fun for them to take it
> back to IL with them than for me to hide it again in
> CT. I made them promise that they would release it
> within a month, so this weekend they boxed in IL for
> the first time and dropped it off-and found another HH
> as well. -S

In Delaware? I don't think I know these boxes. I am willing to be offended--can I get the clues? Sheba

mr_elsworth_toohey wrote: I was very offended by a series in DE that were religious
themed boxes with religious themed clues.

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cape Henlopen

Suzanne Coe wrote:In Delaware? I don't think I know these boxes. I am willing to be offended--can I get the clues? Sheba

mr_elsworth_toohey wrote: I was very offended by a series in DE that were religious
themed boxes with religious themed clues.

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



---------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.




---------------------------------
Yahoo! Mail Mobile
Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cape Henlopen: Lighthouse Series

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Hikers_n_ Hounds
wrote:
> Cape Henlopen
>
> Suzanne Coe wrote:In Delaware? I don't think I
know these boxes. I am willing to be offended--can I get the
clues? Sheba
>
> mr_elsworth_toohey wrote: I was very
offended by a series in DE that were religious
> themed boxes with religious themed clues.
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Mail Mobile
> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Good--I can do them on my vacation.... Thanks.

hexacat wrote:Cape Henlopen: Lighthouse Series

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Hikers_n_ Hounds
wrote:
> Cape Henlopen
>
> Suzanne Coe wrote:In Delaware? I don't think I
know these boxes. I am willing to be offended--can I get the
clues? Sheba
>
> mr_elsworth_toohey wrote: I was very
offended by a series in DE that were religious
> themed boxes with religious themed clues.
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Mail Mobile
> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




---------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.




---------------------------------
Yahoo! Mail
Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]